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floser75 Said,
September 10th, 2009 @9:14 pm  

“The prices for CFDs, like forex (non-ECN), are quoted by the brokers. So there are talks of manipulations, brokers trading against us etc, giving rise to long candle tails.”

This is generally true for market-maker brokers. The pro for using them (e.g CMC) is that they seldom charge commission for the trades done, the margin requirements are very low (more leverage), and they allow non-standard size contracts to be traded. They basically make profit from traders by adding spread to the quotes.

On the other hand, futures broker that have direct access to the exchange (e.g Phillip Futures) does not manipulate the quotes and the spread are as quoted on the exchange. Needless to say, commission is charged per trade and the margin requirements are standard as per each futures product specification.

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jmot Said,
September 11th, 2009 @9:40 am  

hi floser75, thanks for sharing! but for beginning traders or low capitalized traders, the best proxy to futures should be CFDs right? what do you think?

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coconut Said,
September 11th, 2009 @10:47 am  

in layman’s term - illegal bookies.

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coconut Said,
September 11th, 2009 @10:50 am  

in trading term - online bucket shops

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floser75 Said,
September 11th, 2009 @4:04 pm  

I will think CFDs are good for beginners because they allow trade practicing on small amount of money, and usually the added spread has little effect on the win rate if taking on position trading. But for scalping, I think it is a no-no. The ‘random’ tick movement with added spread can easily stop one out.

This is just based on my limited experience with future CFDs. :)

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coconut Said,
September 11th, 2009 @5:11 pm  

fully agree

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jmot Said,
September 12th, 2009 @12:16 am  

this is a good one, coconut!

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jmot Said,
September 12th, 2009 @12:17 am  

when coconut agrees, there must be some truth to this…

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coconut Said,
September 12th, 2009 @12:17 pm  

year - mid 1993

place - richgold(hope i got the name right), largest bucket shop in s’pore with few hundred if not thousand active traders.

open account S$ 5,000, trade ‘coffee C’ futures

after 9 month account up S$ 25,000

one month after which account size - ZERO!!

that’s how i started.

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September 12th, 2009 @9:50 pm  

Of course there are some degree of manipulations but they cannot just quote any price that they want. How do I know? I had worked for a market marker before in the past, ha!

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coconut Said,
September 14th, 2009 @12:35 pm  

that’s why i never trade ETFs and options that are traded in spore.

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coconut Said,
September 14th, 2009 @12:36 pm  

…in s’pore stock exchange

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